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Vincent Price Vibes: Why Phibes is a Horror Icon
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Diving headfirst into the wild world of cult classics, we kick things off with a chat about the 1971 gem, *The Abominable Dr. Phibes*. This flick, featuring the legendary Vincent Price, is a blend of revenge, music, and, let’s be honest, some bizarre artistic choices that leave us both scratching our heads and applauding. Who knew a disfigured organist could pull off such intricate murder methods inspired by biblical plagues? We dissect the film’s over-the-top styling and Vincent’s commitment to the role, showcasing his unique charm and manic energy. It’s not just a horror flick; it’s an artistic statement where every kill is more elaborate than the last, and we can’t help but cheer for Dr. Phibes as he takes out the bumbling medical team that failed his wife. Expect witty banter, fun insights about film festivals, and a whole lot of love for the creative madness that is this film.
Wrapping things up, we bring it back to the festival, sharing our excitement for the upcoming Anomaly Film Festival in Rochester, New York, and how this film fits perfectly within the genre celebration. With our casual banter and playful commentary, we aim to engage our listeners and encourage them to watch this cult classic. So, grab your popcorn, tune in, and let’s get weird with Dr. Phibes!
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Speaker B:It's Anomaly Presents with your friends, the podcastronauts.
Speaker B:Sounds like a lot of supernatural baloney to me.
Speaker C:Supernatural, perhaps baloney, perhaps not.
Speaker B:Hi, everybody, we're back.
Speaker B:It's Anomaly Presents podcast about the genre movies that inspired a genre film festival.
Speaker B:That is the Anomaly Film Festival, held every year, including this one in beautiful Rochester, New York.
Speaker B:We are doing that this November, five through nine.
Speaker B:That's the fifth through the ninth if you're nasty.
Speaker B:We are at the little theater.
Speaker B:We are also spending one evening at the palatial, I guess we'll call it this time Dryden Theater at the George Eastman House.
Speaker B:We are making progress in screening films to find out what we're going to share with you then.
Speaker B:So keep an eye out anomaly film fest.com for all of the information on that.
Speaker B:But first, we have a podcast to do, don't we?
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker A:Thank goodness for that.
Speaker B:Yes, I've been looking forward to it.
Speaker B:We were talking a little bit before we got going and we realized it's the first episode we've done with our lead actor.
Speaker B:It's our first Vincent Price, which feels shocking to me.
Speaker B:Yeah, some might say embarrassing.
Speaker C:Oh, sorry I stepped on your jokes.
Speaker C:I'm upset for real.
Speaker B:Some might say real Abominable.
Speaker B:It's the Abomo Dr.
Speaker B: Phibes,: Speaker B:It's in the great tradition of American international pictures.
Speaker B:They take something that works really well and then makes kind of an interesting pastiche of it.
Speaker B:This is basically, let's take a hammer horror movie, let's grab a lot of stars, like more stars than you think there should be in this thing, put it all in a blender and kind of make a slasher movie out of it.
Speaker B:And that is the abominable Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes.
Speaker B:Let's see, how do we want to start this one, Meg, what you think of it?
Speaker C:Hi.
Speaker C:This is one of my favorite movies ever.
Speaker C:It's a comfort movie for me.
Speaker C:20 times, 30 times, 50 times.
Speaker C:I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker C:It's weird and it's beautiful and it has Vincent Price in it.
Speaker C:And, you know, it's got some nice righteous revenge, which is always a favorite of mine.
Speaker C:It's gorgeous.
Speaker C:It's such a beautiful weird ass film.
Speaker C:It's very much like if my brain was up on the screen, a good chunk of it would be like just this on a loop.
Speaker B:I feel like there's definitely kind of a.
Speaker B:A shared vision or shared visual between this and Phantom of the Paradise.
Speaker B:At certain points they kind of Echo each other a bit.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker C:It's my other most favorite film in the world.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's striking.
Speaker B:That first time he's sitting at the organ and you're like, oh, this is where.
Speaker B:This, I think is probably where De Palma got some of it.
Speaker B:Or it's really close.
Speaker B:Parallel thinking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kp, what'd you think?
Speaker A:I loved it.
Speaker A:So this was my first time watching it.
Speaker A:So thanks for the, like, setting it up.
Speaker A:I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker A:And then I was like, wow, what a wonderful little mix match surprise.
Speaker A:Like, you could tell Vincent Price is having a good time, which always is wonderful.
Speaker C:Then, right, like, oh, apparently they had to keep reapplying his makeup because he was having such a good time that he would just start laughing.
Speaker C:And that stuff was like real thin.
Speaker C:So the makeup artist had to go like every 10 minutes and do a touch up.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was just cracking up, having a great time.
Speaker C:It's one of his favorite roles from what I've read.
Speaker B:And I can see why he's got.
Speaker B:There's such a range.
Speaker B:So I guess we'll go into plot a little bit just because, I don't know.
Speaker B:This movie is hard to find is what we found.
Speaker B:It's been out of print for a while, so you have to kind of use alternate methods to turn it up.
Speaker B:We found it.
Speaker B:It's not a hard Google to Google, but I'm not going to turn in our source.
Speaker B:But you can find it.
Speaker B:Our five source in various archival places.
Speaker B:You can find it.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:So quiet and sipped.
Speaker B:Sipped our beverages knowingly.
Speaker B:So plot wise.
Speaker B:So Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes is a classical organist, right?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:He is a musicologist and a theologist.
Speaker C:Not that that will come up.
Speaker A:No, not at all.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:He also, as it turns out, it's very important to the story.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He is a very devoted husband.
Speaker C:Hashtag relationship goals, everybody.
Speaker C:Hashtag wife guy, this or nothing.
Speaker A:But not like this TV wife guy.
Speaker A:This is like the quintessential.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:This is the ideal, folks.
Speaker C:Aim for this ride or die.
Speaker B:In this case, both, we find.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there, there is a medical misadventure that, that his wife goes through.
Speaker B:She has some surgery, she does not make it.
Speaker B:And Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes decides that he's going to take that out on the doctors that he feels killed her in very interesting biblical ways.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I like, I like, I like someone with a plan and a vision who's like, I'm just not gonna have revenge.
Speaker C:It's gonna be thematic.
Speaker C:He invests money in this money and time.
Speaker A:Every murder was, like, more elaborate than the next.
Speaker A:And I like how it built up over.
Speaker A:Over the course of the film.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, okay, now we're strangling kind of somebody with a contraption.
Speaker A:We're freezing somebody.
Speaker A:We're.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was fun.
Speaker C:Always something new.
Speaker C:Always something new.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is.
Speaker A:This is what a joy.
Speaker C:Like, right.
Speaker C:Like I'm watching.
Speaker C:I love watching these people die.
Speaker C:I sound crazy, but watch the film and you go, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, you know, not graphic.
Speaker B:Like, no, I could see where at the time it might be a little challenging.
Speaker C:Classy murder.
Speaker C:Classic.
Speaker C:He's a gentleman.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Fives.
Speaker C:Dr.
Speaker C:Anton Fives is a gentleman and a scholar.
Speaker C:So your death is just going to be more exquisite, refined.
Speaker C:He doesn't, you know, a half ass, anything.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He certainly puts his whole ass into everything he does.
Speaker B:We should bring up the fact that he was tragically disfigured in a car wreck and thought dead.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is very helpful for revenge purposes.
Speaker C:Makes it easy.
Speaker A:You don't have to fake anything.
Speaker A:You don't have to do all the work.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, oh, I'm dead, so can't.
Speaker C:Can't be me.
Speaker A:It's definitely somebody else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Who also tragically died.
Speaker C:But what leads to the great visual of Fives, which is.
Speaker C:It's Vincent Price, but, like, his skin seems a little papery, a little off, and he doesn't.
Speaker C:He doesn't talk until.
Speaker C:Unless he plugs the little hole in his neck into a Victrola and then he talks like this.
Speaker C:Oh, great.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Ironically, my favorite movies in the chat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's just.
Speaker C:It's just such a stylish choice to have Vincent Price, like, not talk in most of your film and yet know that he'll still carry it.
Speaker A:Because he's just so menacing.
Speaker A:He's able to.
Speaker A:To telegraph that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's like, his.
Speaker C:The way his eyes and his eyebrows go, like when he's having a delightful time murdering somebody.
Speaker B:He really is having the absolute time of his life.
Speaker B:So much fun.
Speaker C:Vincent Price and Phibes, they're both like, this is great.
Speaker C:I don't want to be anywhere else.
Speaker A:Hard at the part where I had to run it back when he's at the party and I'm like, wait a second.
Speaker A:He's drinking from the side of his neck.
Speaker A:At first I thought he just did the whole, like, yeah, I'm not drinking.
Speaker A:And, like, you know, threw it behind him.
Speaker A:And then I like, oh, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:He literally pours the drink into the side of his.
Speaker C:He's got a little sippy hole.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's that level of detail too.
Speaker C:Like this built up world, like how fives functions and how he has to.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:Oh, I love.
Speaker C:Also both takes place.
Speaker C:Place both in the.
Speaker C:In the twenties.
Speaker C:It's all art nouveau.
Speaker C:It's gorgeous.
Speaker C:But also very much in the late 60s.
Speaker C:And the movie's like, listen, don't worry, don't, don't worry.
Speaker C:Outfits.
Speaker A:The set design is all like you said, the, the colors.
Speaker A:It's all late 60s.
Speaker A:When they're saying the 20s, I was like, oh, really?
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker B: hey were like, oh, yeah, it's: Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Are you sure?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean the one car, like his car, which I also was obsessed with.
Speaker A:With his little silhouette in the window.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:His art.
Speaker C:I feel like that's what I want for my car.
Speaker C:No one has to see me.
Speaker C:But here I'm here.
Speaker C:I'm just gonna pull down this little like cover a little curtain.
Speaker C:And that is me.
Speaker C:Like spiritually.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Like that little detail, like all the.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker C:So I guess what we should mention here.
Speaker C:So he's themed because he's also, as I've mentioned, studied religion, is a theologist.
Speaker C:So it makes sense that he's.
Speaker C:And it really works out that there's like nine members of this surgical team because he's decided he's going to base it on the ten plagues of Egypt from the Bible.
Speaker C:Don't worry, the numbers work out.
Speaker C:So what's hilarious about this is these are not the plagues.
Speaker C:Some of them are.
Speaker C:A couple of them aren't.
Speaker C:Aren't.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:I meant to read it beforehand and I.
Speaker B:Marginal.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's my Catholic.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's ones that like are just sub in and I can understand where they're like aesthetically like, oh, no.
Speaker C:But it's weird because they replace one.
Speaker C:The one we don't see too.
Speaker C:They mentioned that one of the.
Speaker C:The first killing is bees.
Speaker C:Absolutely not one of the plagues, probably.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker B:For boils somehow.
Speaker C:For boils.
Speaker C:Which I guess.
Speaker C:Would it be hard?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I just think that's interesting.
Speaker C:Like, why did you change?
Speaker C:It starts with a B.
Speaker C:Like, I'm not complaining.
Speaker C:We just don't see it.
Speaker C:Like, I understand changing things that we see to make like a more fun and maybe financially viable kill.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But why just say it was B.
Speaker C:That was my favorite.
Speaker A:That's what I was really locked in.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, I love the reinterpretations.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:The Plague of the frogs, which is a frog mask.
Speaker C:This beautiful, ornate frog mask during a masquerade that has this little timer.
Speaker C:We don't.
Speaker C:The guy doesn't see it.
Speaker C:The doctor does not see that on the back.
Speaker C:The latch actually has a little.
Speaker C:It's slowly going.
Speaker C:It's a little ratchet, getting closer and closer until he elaborately and dramatically dies on the staircase.
Speaker C:Oh, beautiful.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker A:The one with the rats was interesting because I read somewhere that they had to swap it because it was originally written to take place on a boat.
Speaker A:And they couldn't logically think through, like, oh, whoever that guy is, he would just hop into the water.
Speaker A:So that's why they.
Speaker A:They couldn't figure him in a plane.
Speaker C:Which is insane to me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is.
Speaker C:Rats is another one they replaced.
Speaker C:Rats is not one of the original plagues.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:So they.
Speaker C:They made it harder for themselves and then.
Speaker C:But listen, rats on a plane.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:They worked it to the better thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'll tell you the one that's adorable to me.
Speaker C:The bats.
Speaker B:Oh, the bats.
Speaker C:I was like, look at those.
Speaker C:They have little dog faces.
Speaker C:You could tell they're well cared for bats.
Speaker C:And you're like, you're fine, buddy.
Speaker C:Just give it a little scritch.
Speaker A:They should have done some, like, a couple of cheap, scary looking, like, fake ones.
Speaker C:But they were all adorable actual bats that I saw.
Speaker C:Like, hey, buddy.
Speaker C:It's so cute.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You don't them up.
Speaker C:Go get them.
Speaker A:You just eat mosquitoes and fruit.
Speaker A:Like, I know you're not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think they tried as hard as they could, but there's no way they didn't go, oh, no.
Speaker C:Oh, that's adorable.
Speaker A:And I'm sure the only thing you could do, have one, like, have them swooping.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Make them go fast because once you get in close, like, oh, you can't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Boop boop.
Speaker A:I'm gonna take you all home with me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think my.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I have.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:I look at the list, I keep going, oh, that's my favorite.
Speaker C:That's my favorite.
Speaker C:Cuz I love the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The blood one.
Speaker C:First, it's Terry Thomas, who's like, one of my favorite.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:British comedic actors.
Speaker C:Like, you've probably seen him and go, oh, that guy.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:In fact, they brought him back for the 5 sequel as a different character to Kill Again.
Speaker C:That's how Much they enjoy Terry Thomas in this film.
Speaker C:But I love.
Speaker C:I just love that it starts with like, well, I'm gonna watch a.
Speaker C:A naughty little reel at home in the 20s, you know, like, it starts with that and then just the.
Speaker C:Like, he's.
Speaker C:Doesn't seem to catch on.
Speaker C:Like, it's not like they drug him or anything.
Speaker C:They just sit him in the chair and then he's watching, which.
Speaker C:We haven't mentioned Phibes's assistance Volnavia yet.
Speaker C:He seems so British that he doesn't want to be rude about the fact that these two people are now in his house and now he's got a needle in his arm and now all his blood is slowly being sucked away.
Speaker C:Like, at no point does he raise his voice.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, my.
Speaker C:This is a bit odd.
Speaker C:Like, that's the entire, like, reaction.
Speaker A:And he does, like, paw at him, doesn't he?
Speaker A:Because that's how the cops get the first clue.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, that's the most.
Speaker C:He's like, please.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:I think he's still a little embarrassed of.
Speaker C:Oh, no, don't look at my.
Speaker C:A dancing snake dancer.
Speaker B:Real stag film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:By the way, if you need a reference for Terry Thomas, Sir Hiss from Disney's Robin Hood.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker C:I do also, like, this one's quick and I appreciate that.
Speaker C:Like, some of them are a little more like.
Speaker C:It has a good rhythm.
Speaker C:The brass unicorn head.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:The plague of livestock.
Speaker C:Door opens, it's launched across the street.
Speaker C:Then they have to figure out if they.
Speaker C:If it's a.
Speaker C:Clockwise or counterclockwise.
Speaker C:Screw them off.
Speaker A:And the look on his face, just frozen, impaled.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The police had just showed up.
Speaker C:Don't worry, sir.
Speaker C:We're gonna protect you.
Speaker C:Let me open.
Speaker C:I was like, the completely useless police in this film.
Speaker C:Once again, literally, help with the killing.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Oh, it just.
Speaker C:It cracks me up.
Speaker C:And of course, locust.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I never saw to use Brussels sprouts that way.
Speaker A:That also cracked me up.
Speaker A:When he gets, like, the little sheet out for her, like, that's her outline.
Speaker A:And then he.
Speaker A:That down, I'm like, what is he doing?
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker A:It's just her just.
Speaker A:Just so I know exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker C:It was amazing.
Speaker C:And I was like, what is.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:But it's because he does things right.
Speaker C:No one's gonna know.
Speaker C:But he just wants to know, like, it has to drip just the right way.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, they boil Brussels sprouts.
Speaker C:And you're like, what's this?
Speaker C:And they're boiling it down and he's being very choosy about what Brussels sprouts are in this thing.
Speaker C:He boils it down to this green goo.
Speaker C:They sneak into the hospital where they haven't.
Speaker C:He must have known they were going to put the nurse.
Speaker C:Listen, it doesn't matter, everybody.
Speaker C:He knows everything.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:Is he behind the police in the elevator?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Do they catch him?
Speaker C:No, of course not.
Speaker C:And he knows exactly the room above it.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:Yeah, he pulls out what KP said, like this, like, outline of a woman so he can drill a hole by the head.
Speaker C:And then he has an entire machine that's.
Speaker C:One side's full of goo and one spot's full of locusts.
Speaker C:So at first he.
Speaker C:Green Goozer covered in green.
Speaker C:And there's this music going on, this blah, blah, blah music.
Speaker C:And then he turns off the goose spigot and turns on the locust spigot.
Speaker C:And he's just tapping on the glass, getting every last locust out just to fall on her and gently nibble her to death until she's literally a skeleton.
Speaker A:That killed me.
Speaker A:When they opened the door, they're just like, yep, yep, she's dead now.
Speaker C:Like, that's it.
Speaker C:That's a skeleton.
Speaker B:How did she sleep through that?
Speaker B:That's the thing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:What kind of tranquilizers did they give her?
Speaker C:The good stuff.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Like, they are in a hospital.
Speaker C:Medical grade.
Speaker C:Yeah, because, like.
Speaker C:Yeah, because.
Speaker C:Yeah, like.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, like a cellor chat.
Speaker C:No, he didn't poison or gas her.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think they.
Speaker C:They said that they were giving her a sedative.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I think that was it.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker B:They didn't specify.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because she was, like, fighting against them and being like, I'm fine.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:Probably for good.
Speaker C:Cause she should not have listened to them at all.
Speaker C:Like, I think she would have woken up at the first goo drop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would hope.
Speaker A:Buffoons.
Speaker C:The Brussels sprouts.
Speaker C:Goo.
Speaker C:Like, imagine the smell.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:I love the doctor because he's just like, no.
Speaker A:Like, I've watched you.
Speaker A:I've watched all.
Speaker A:All these people are dead and you haven't saved a single person.
Speaker A:You're not going to save my son.
Speaker A:I'm not playing around with you.
Speaker A:And just knocks him right out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Finally was like, you know what?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Joseph Cotton from Citizen Kane as our, I would say, protagonist.
Speaker C:But he really doesn't register much.
Speaker C:He's a very milquetoast.
Speaker C:Plain boring.
Speaker C:So Boring character.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:I keep forgetting that, like.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, we gotta go back to this guy, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's the last one.
Speaker B:The big bad protagonist, insofar as he moves the plot forward ever so slightly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he's fascinating.
Speaker B:Also, Joseph Cotton has the most ridiculous resume ever because he's got that.
Speaker B:What was it he was in Gaslight.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Classic.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Boo.
Speaker C:Boo.
Speaker C:But also.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker B:Heaven's Gate third man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He was like one of Orson Welles's guys.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, hey, I mean, I'm not saying he's bad.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:There's just.
Speaker C:It's nothing for this character to do except for be the last.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I mean, he hits the 70s, and that's when he gets kind of eaten up by the AIP Hammer situation.
Speaker B:And it's all like, Frankenstein's daughter and after this.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he had that run in the 40s where.
Speaker B:Holy.
Speaker B:It's amazing.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I love.
Speaker C:So we're talking about the.
Speaker C:The plague.
Speaker C:So there's two left, right?
Speaker C:The death of the firstborn and darkness.
Speaker C:I love that fully at this point point when.
Speaker C:When the doctor is in the hospital, they're going to try to save the nurse because she's, like, second to last, right?
Speaker C:And they're trying to be like, well, he's obviously aiming.
Speaker C:Aiming for you because you were the lead surgeon.
Speaker C:He blames you most of all.
Speaker C:They know what.
Speaker C:What these plagues are at this point.
Speaker C:He knows he has a son, but he's like, no, I got an older brother.
Speaker B:That's the part that killed me.
Speaker B:My older brother's already dead.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:Sir, like, this is a couple days into this whole situation.
Speaker C:You're very aware there's no more mystery to figure out.
Speaker C:They went to the jeweler and found out that Fives had made this jewelry, each with, like, a little Hebrew glyph that represents that.
Speaker C:Because here's what Fives does.
Speaker C:While he's counting who he kills, he has a wax bust of every one of his victims.
Speaker C:And then he had these necklaces specifically made with, like, the little glyph that would represent each plague.
Speaker C:And then so every time he kills them, instead of, like, checking it off on a list, like, did it, he burns their wax face till he drips on the necklace.
Speaker C:I was like, you know what?
Speaker C:I wish I had that energy just.
Speaker A:Watching him, like, immediately dead.
Speaker A:All right, we're cutting to the face burning, right?
Speaker C:And then they went to, like, the rabbi who was like, who ran down what the plagues are in this film.
Speaker C:Like, when he says them.
Speaker C:It's the ones that are here.
Speaker C:I'm like, fair enough.
Speaker C:It's even illustrated, though.
Speaker C:They know, and they know, like, the Order.
Speaker C:And I'm like, well, again, Dr.
Speaker C:Not bright and Police Sergeant Trout and whatever else.
Speaker C:Whenever.
Speaker C:Other fish, he is called.
Speaker C:Just the worst.
Speaker C:The worst.
Speaker C:They might as well not be there.
Speaker C:I mean, they're hilarious.
Speaker C:But if we're talking plot, you know, they're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:Hey, don't let these police.
Speaker C:Police in this.
Speaker C:In this movie help you, because they won't.
Speaker C:They can't.
Speaker C:It's impossible.
Speaker A:They are 20 steps behind.
Speaker A:I feel like they're not even in the same building.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, here they.
Speaker C:Oh, they're coming.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're dead.
Speaker C:It's already.
Speaker C:Already dead.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker C:Do you have a broom to clean up?
Speaker C:Because that's the only way you're going to be useful here.
Speaker A:I do like that we get to the point where, you know, everything has gone so according to plan for Dr.
Speaker A:Phibes that he doesn't feel the need to stay at the.
Speaker A:For the.
Speaker A:Oh, surgery.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker C:He's literally like, I.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Here's my finale.
Speaker C:You're gonna.
Speaker C:I know that you are gonna get anywhere near me because his plans.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's a good point, kp, where it's like, I'm just gonna wrap this up.
Speaker C:You finish here.
Speaker C:I'm just gonna go on down and bald myself with.
Speaker C:With my wife.
Speaker C:Darkness is my plague.
Speaker C:See, I brought it around.
Speaker C:There actually is 10.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:He set Vulnavia to.
Speaker A:To destroy all of his things, and she's just.
Speaker A:I love how she's taking an ax to everything.
Speaker C:You think burn it to the ground?
Speaker A:I would think, you know, setting things on fire is a good way to get rid of everything, but no, she's just taking an ax to.
Speaker A:Is it like animatronics?
Speaker A:The.
Speaker C:The mechanical band?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes, Everything.
Speaker C:We should talk about her, because I love this fact that Volnavia is, what, a henchwoman?
Speaker C:A robot?
Speaker C:A spirit of vengeance?
Speaker C:We'll never know.
Speaker C:Like, she just shows up and is totally on board with everything Fives is doing, and it's.
Speaker C:Sometimes she's just, like, cleaning up the area like it's a cafe.
Speaker C:Even though it's not a cafe, it's his lair, and I don't understand.
Speaker C:And it's amazing, and I love it.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:She's playing the violin as.
Speaker C:As he's finalizing a kill.
Speaker C:She's in fur.
Speaker C:She's in gowns.
Speaker C:Like, wow, what a feast.
Speaker C:I love her.
Speaker C:I don't get her, but I love her.
Speaker B:I don't know how you could get.
Speaker B:And she's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's kind of the best hench person that's ever existed.
Speaker C:She's just there doing stuff there.
Speaker B:She does her thing.
Speaker B:She does it well.
Speaker C:Yeah, she's really good at distracting dudes.
Speaker C:She's just like, yes, yes.
Speaker C:Like not even.
Speaker C:This isn't verbalized.
Speaker C:You can just tell that she's on board.
Speaker C:Apparently the actress kept cracking up acting with Vincent Price.
Speaker C:So there's scenes like, you can tell when they're dancing where she's turning her face away because she doesn't want to ruin the shot.
Speaker C:But it's just, it's hilarious.
Speaker C:So apparently Vincent was breaking up.
Speaker C:She was breaking up.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's got that vibe to it where everybody's just having a blast with it.
Speaker B:They know that it's so tongue in cheek and so goofy.
Speaker C:Yeah, but they're playing.
Speaker C:I just love that idea.
Speaker C:Yeah, just like giggling and like what a, what a.
Speaker C:A layer.
Speaker C:Like he's built an entire mechanical band.
Speaker C:It's just for him, it's not part of the plot.
Speaker C:He doesn't use them anywhere.
Speaker C:He just has a band and he has painted like scenery for nobody but him.
Speaker C:And then at the end he has volunteer take the ax to it anyway.
Speaker C:Like, like, I don't know why this was all a part of his process, but it was, you know, like he needed everything here.
Speaker C:He needed the, the car with the little pull down curtains.
Speaker C:He apparently.
Speaker C:I don't know if you can buy a Brussels sprout boiling into goo machine.
Speaker C:I assume he built it or retrofitted something.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I would figure that's the case because we didn't talk about the ice gun either.
Speaker B:We haven't gotten back for that because that's kind of my favorite kill.
Speaker B:I think that's hysterical.
Speaker C:Yo, take it away then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he kills one of them.
Speaker B:He Volavia pretends there's car trouble which gets somebody to pull over again.
Speaker B:Fantastic distraction.
Speaker B:They sneak in and he has fashioned some kind of.
Speaker B:It looks like 60s ray gun mixed with an air conditioner.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, it's got, it's got the.
Speaker B:Really cool fins on it.
Speaker B:And then I can't remember, does he lock the doors in the car and then shoves the thing in or.
Speaker B:I know he puts it up front and shoves it through the, the wall, the firewall, into the back seat.
Speaker C:Another very British thing because he puts this in and the guy doesn't like.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah, he just kind of gives it to him like, hey, this.
Speaker C:This is for you.
Speaker C:I don't even know if he locks the door because again, we don't get a big reaction like, oh, I should get out of here.
Speaker C:This is scary.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:The odd thing, and this is why I'm confused is, yeah.
Speaker C:That'S exactly the energy.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker C:Where's my driver?
Speaker C:And that, like, that's it.
Speaker C:He's not getting out of that car until the driver opens the door.
Speaker B:Maybe when they find him, it's in the front seat pointed at him.
Speaker B:So at some point, he got tired of holding it and just pointed it at his face.
Speaker C:I feel like the movie's like, you know what?
Speaker C:Fives doesn't actually have to work this hard to kill some of these people.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, they've just.
Speaker B:They've been looking for a reason in most cases.
Speaker B:It feels, doesn't it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now I understand how his wife died on the operating table because, yeah, one of these people should have ever gotten their degree.
Speaker B:Should never handle anything more complex than a coffee maker, as near as I can tell.
Speaker C:I like that because, like, like, dude, I think when I first watched the film, my.
Speaker C:My thought is always like, well, he's just.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's just filled with revenge, you know, it doesn't matter if they were competent or not.
Speaker C:She died.
Speaker C:But I like this idea.
Speaker C:Like, no, maybe they were just real bad at their jobs.
Speaker C:This isn't just passion.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He's got to take these people out of the system before someone else dies.
Speaker A:Is our last guy who does get the surgery done in time to save his son.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, That's a really great setup.
Speaker C:Like this idea.
Speaker C:So, like, Fives is like, obviously saving the.
Speaker C:The lead surgeon for the end and eventually figures out, oh, wait, I have a son.
Speaker C:So by that time, Fives has already kidnapped his son and it's taking him.
Speaker A:On him, I guess, taking him to.
Speaker C:His lair, like, lot.
Speaker C:Okay, so locked his neck down and there's going to be acid that drips in six minutes.
Speaker C:But yeah, so what Fives has also done is did a little pre surgery because he put the key right by his heart and just sewed him up real quick.
Speaker C:And yet is acting like it's going to be terrifying for this surgeon to have to go in and get that key out because he has six minutes before his kids, I guess, all acid it up.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:And I, I.
Speaker C:I assume he could probably put something there to, you know, what it doesn't matter.
Speaker C:You don't got to think about this too hard.
Speaker C:You go, there's a key by the kid's heart.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:And he's worried.
Speaker C:Intense.
Speaker C:But I do like that idea that Fives just.
Speaker C:Also just did a little casual surgery to set it up.
Speaker C:You know, it was for the bit.
Speaker B:He's such fibes.
Speaker B:Is the world's greatest polymath.
Speaker B:I think he just.
Speaker B:He's good at everything.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because the worry isn't I just cut your son open and then put something rusty in there and sewed him up.
Speaker C:That's not mentioned.
Speaker C:Like, that's the problem.
Speaker C:It's the acid.
Speaker C:The acid is the problem.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:This kid will be fine.
Speaker C:Don't worry about it.
Speaker B:Never mind the fact that his heart's going to just rot from gangrene in about eight minutes.
Speaker C:And it's a great setup because he's like, my wife was alive on the table for six minutes.
Speaker C:I'm like, there we go.
Speaker C:See?
Speaker C:He's thinking it through.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:Listen, it's not random.
Speaker A: Now I'm thinking, what in the: Speaker A:Like etiquette.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I keep forgetting we are in the 20s that.
Speaker B:Put your cigarette out before.
Speaker A:I guess maybe trying to remember my time watching the nick and being horrified by what the medical practices were at the time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was a miracle anyone lived.
Speaker C:Vibes, really.
Speaker C:He's not putting up with that excuse, though.
Speaker B:Wipe your hands on your shirt and dive on in.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker B:The acid is the least of your worries.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It might clean everything up a little.
Speaker B:A little.
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:And I just love how extra he is at the end.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So he's left.
Speaker A:He's assuming.
Speaker A:He doesn't care if the doctor.
Speaker A:He's probably just assuming that the doctor is not going to save his son and walks to this elaborate hidden coffin.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Who has his embalmed already.
Speaker A:Wife.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Laying down in it.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker A:It's mirrors on the inside.
Speaker A:And it looks so comfy.
Speaker C:It's real comfy.
Speaker B:It is about the most late 60s, early 70s thing I've ever seen.
Speaker B:It's all nicely padded out, velveted, mirrored out.
Speaker B:It looks like the.
Speaker B:Like a swinging London shag pad somehow.
Speaker A:It definitely does, too, because it looks.
Speaker A:At first I was like, what is happening here?
Speaker A:Because it looks like a kind of like inlaid bed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not a coffin at all.
Speaker A:It doesn't give that vibe.
Speaker A:And then I'm like, oh, the top is closing on him and he is embalming himself.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's just a queen size sarcophagus is really what it ended up being.
Speaker B:But it certainly doesn't look that way to start with.
Speaker B:By the way.
Speaker B:Victoria Phibes, played by the legendary Carolyn Monroe.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't think she's credited.
Speaker B:She couldn't be.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was going to say Hammer Horror had her on contract, so she couldn't be.
Speaker B:But yeah, she was in Casino Royale for a hot second.
Speaker B:Every single Hammer horror movie that really ever existed.
Speaker B:Captain Chronos, Vampire Hunter, she was in Maniac.
Speaker B:Later on, like it's a who's who.
Speaker B:You know, Star Crash, she's in that.
Speaker B:Just go through.
Speaker B:It's wild, the career that she had.
Speaker B:She's incredible.
Speaker B:But yeah, in this she just plays a completely silent and uncredited role as a corpse.
Speaker B:The most important corpse in the film, no less, but a corpse nonetheless.
Speaker C:Gotta love Fives.
Speaker C:His style too, where he has like, you know, he's like, okay, self embalming.
Speaker C:I'm sure you can do it.
Speaker C:So he had a research and again, I feel like he had to build this equipment his own or, or, or adjust it because I just feel like that machine didn't exist.
Speaker C:Not a lot of call for self involving, you know, so his, his mechanical.
Speaker C:Know how his thinking outside the box, outside the sarcophagus.
Speaker C:All the aesthetics that no one's gonna see but him.
Speaker C:It's gorgeous.
Speaker C:No one's gonna see the inside.
Speaker C:It closes up nicely.
Speaker C:I love how much he gets away with it.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, he's dead.
Speaker C:And, and spoiler, there's a sequel.
Speaker C:But let's just read this as what it is.
Speaker C:That's what he wanted.
Speaker C:He just wanted revenge.
Speaker C:And then to lay with his wife again.
Speaker C:Hashtag goals, you know, I love.
Speaker C:They did like, yeah, I won.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I did everything I needed to do and now I'm gonna clean it up myself.
Speaker C:And then you can't touch us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because we don't even.
Speaker A:Moment of like, oh, nothing's left.
Speaker A:He already knew that.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Like once it was done, there was going to be nothing left but death.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Darkness thematic.
Speaker C:Even on the way out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was looking what was.
Speaker A:It's a sun.
Speaker A:It's the sun, the moon and the earth.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like very astrology.
Speaker C:If I, if I'm remembering he's an astrology girly.
Speaker A:Apparently this whole time he does a lot.
Speaker B:Are you surprised?
Speaker B:I mean, he contains multitudes.
Speaker B:Why wouldn't he be?
Speaker C:Why wouldn't he?
Speaker B:He's an engineer.
Speaker B:He's a musician.
Speaker B:He's a surgeon.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, we didn't even talk about the music.
Speaker B:He's an astrologist.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:As far as the music is concerned and that little extra tidbit of being in the wrong time.
Speaker A:We're set in the 20s, aesthetics in the 60s.
Speaker A:Music from, like, the 30s and 40s.
Speaker B:40S.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:They're like, yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:This is not a film that anyone's gonna get real uptight about.
Speaker C:Blood.
Speaker C:Actually, I think this is actually perhaps a good starter horror film in that it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's creepy, but it's.
Speaker C:In no way is it.
Speaker C:Like, there's not.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:There isn't like, gore.
Speaker C:There's just, like, you know, some nicely put together bottles of blood.
Speaker C:They're very clean.
Speaker C:They're stacked up on a shelf.
Speaker C:It's very, like, you know, classy.
Speaker C:I keep going back.
Speaker C:It's a classy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's more general idea and a vibe than anything.
Speaker C:Like, you're not gonna be like, holy crap, it's the craziest thing.
Speaker C:Well, no, you might say you think craziest.
Speaker C:It won't be the scariest.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, there's that tension.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, we're watching these things happen.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:I feel like if you wanted something scarier with Vincent Price, you could just watch was a House on Haunted Hill.
Speaker A:Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Starter horror film, I feel like.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:But that's actually going to make you feel scared.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's got menace to it because you're like, oh, these people are crazy.
Speaker C:And something's gonna.
Speaker C:And there's guns.
Speaker C:Whereas, like, Fives is basically, you know, these people are gonna die.
Speaker C:The only question maybe is the last guy.
Speaker C:And this, you know, like, that's, like the one question.
Speaker C:Like, I think you go through this entire movie going like, yeah, these people are.
Speaker C:We're gonna see this happen because that's the entire setup of the film, and we just want to see how it goes down.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker C:I said relaxing.
Speaker C:There's no tension.
Speaker C:His plan's gonna work.
Speaker C:Don't worry about it.
Speaker C:Everybody.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the cinematic equivalent of the Haunted Mansion.
Speaker B:Maybe a little creepier than Haunted Mansion, but it's got that same vibe.
Speaker B:It's kind of fun.
Speaker B:It's kind of creepy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, I think you're kind of on fives side.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I think the movie is like, now you.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:This makes sense.
Speaker C:Like, nobody except for, again, maybe the doctor.
Speaker C:And I'm gonna argue that he.
Speaker C:He himself isn't particularly sympathetic.
Speaker C:But there's no other.
Speaker C:Like, none of the victims are.
Speaker C:Are sympathetic.
Speaker C:Like, they're all, like, kind of rich or out of touch or we don't even know them.
Speaker A:Because he's an.
Speaker A:Isn't like Mr.
Speaker A:Froggy Guy.
Speaker A:Like, he's like, where are the women?
Speaker A:Doesn't he say that or something like that?
Speaker A:It's something like the impression that he's a bit of a slime ball.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, like, I.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you get to feel that's intentional.
Speaker C:You're like.
Speaker C:If the movie's like, don't worry, you can enjoy this.
Speaker C:Don't worry.
Speaker C:Don't feel bad.
Speaker C:Don't feel bad.
Speaker A:Justice.
Speaker C:Yeah, Have.
Speaker C:Have fun with this.
Speaker C:And it's interesting because, like, the sequel, I think, positions Fives even clearer as, like, your protagonist because the.
Speaker C:His opposing side.
Speaker C:It's basically he's going to Egypt to find eternal life now that he's.
Speaker C:He's found a way to bring his wife to life and he's gonna have eternal life.
Speaker C:And there's this other doctor guy who also knows about this, and that's what's been keeping him alive.
Speaker C:So they're basically kind of like racing towards that.
Speaker C:And like, this doctor guy is.
Speaker C:You're like, fives, Fives, Fives.
Speaker C:Keep going.
Speaker C:Fives.
Speaker A:Yeah, you had me for a moment there, where you were like, eternal life for Fives.
Speaker A:I'm like, his wife is dead.
Speaker C:They're like, no, the wife is back.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, now.
Speaker A:Nope, it all makes sense now.
Speaker C:Well, he's.
Speaker C:He has her body.
Speaker C:Body.
Speaker C:Like, this is going to make them both.
Speaker C:Like, she's not up and moving.
Speaker C:There's Volnavia, but she's a different actress.
Speaker C:So I don't know if it's supposed to be the same vulnerabia or a.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:They don't cover it.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:It's a fine movie.
Speaker C:It's not as good.
Speaker C:And I think partly because the deaths aren't really themed, they're just vaguely Egyptians sometimes.
Speaker C:But Terry Thomas dies again, so I.
Speaker A:Feel like there's got to be fun stuff that you could do with Egyptian lore.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a weird that they didn't keep one of the strongest parts of the film.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, Visit Price is still having a great time, and it's a great use of Somewhere over the Rainbow at the End as he.
Speaker C:Obviously he wins.
Speaker C:Of course he wins.
Speaker C:And he's kind of like locked out the other guy.
Speaker C:And the other guy is like, up to his, like, neck in water and he's like, he can't go any farther.
Speaker C:And he's watching fives on this boat with one of those long poles, like, going off into the.
Speaker C:Wherever the space is that opened in a pyramid, by the way.
Speaker C:Of course, the pyramid that is going to go and give him and his wife eternal life.
Speaker C:And this guy is about to, like, start decaying because, like, he's unnaturally extended his life.
Speaker C:And you're like, don't mess with.
Speaker C:Don't step to fives.
Speaker C:Look at.
Speaker C:He won again.
Speaker C:And now you have to watch this.
Speaker C:At least the first movie didn't have to watch you win.
Speaker C:I have fought somewhere over there.
Speaker C:It's great.
Speaker C:The ending is good.
Speaker B:Doesn't this one close with that too?
Speaker B:That's really kind of fun that they did both.
Speaker C:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker C:That's his theme song.
Speaker C:I don't think wizard of Oz.
Speaker C:I think Fives when I hear that song.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:As I read a lot of the reviews for this movie and what people's reactions are, everybody is like, hey, isn't this just saw and.
Speaker B:Yeah, kinda.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We don't get Saul without this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:John Kramer.
Speaker C:You're welcome.
Speaker C:John Kramer, big Fives fan.
Speaker B:Gotta be, right.
Speaker C:I feel like character.
Speaker A:If he was going to be like, I'm making like.
Speaker A:If he let people know, hey, this is a trap, try and get out, he would 100 rig it so that they could not get out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Fives is like, sure.
Speaker C:You know what five is like?
Speaker C:No, I'm not even gonna tell you because I want this to be clean.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, that's good.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the point.
Speaker C:Kramer's like, he thinks it's moral, but I don't know.
Speaker C:And fives is like.
Speaker C:I mean, I think it's moral, but also it's wild and crazy.
Speaker C:So you're welcome.
Speaker C:John, you gotta stop picking bad apprentices.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Not to go off on a mini ramp, but not a one of them.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:No, they're all a mess, my friend.
Speaker C:I see your vision.
Speaker C:I see your vision.
Speaker C:I understand.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I see where you're coming from.
Speaker C:That police guy, a mess.
Speaker C:The doctor, we don't know, like, but probably a mess.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:You know, I was gonna say it's.
Speaker B:It's an unbelievably impossible standard to reach to get to Vavia's.
Speaker B:Level.
Speaker B:You're not gonna do it.
Speaker B:You can't.
Speaker C:Listen, Amanda, I'm sorry.
Speaker C:You're queen in your own right, a messy queen, and we love to see it, but you're no Volnavia.
Speaker B:Wasn't that in Saw?
Speaker B:Saw 4.
Speaker B:Amanda, you're no Volnavia.
Speaker B:I think I heard that one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Probably, like, just whispered.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:Like, just so you could pick it up if you were, like, barely listening.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Part of me is thinking, do I.
Speaker A:Need to go back and re.
Speaker A:Watch some of the Saw movies?
Speaker A:And I'm like, no, I don't need to do it to myself.
Speaker C:I'm good.
Speaker A:Once was enough for.
Speaker A:I think I only saw the first three.
Speaker A:And then I was like, you know what?
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:If I ever want to see a Saw movie again, I have Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna have to do it.
Speaker B:This is gonna be way more fun.
Speaker A:I'll sleep like a baby.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I won't need to do the Jedi mind wipe or the Men in Black mind wipe and watch, like, gumball afterwards.
Speaker A:I can just curl up with some sleepy time tea vibes and go right out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:What you need to do is do what I did, which I watched the.
Speaker C:Just the soap opera cut where they're like, yeah, the kills.
Speaker C:But, like, this is all the crazy backwards forwards, past, future.
Speaker C:Everybody's connected.
Speaker C:I'm like, wow, Saw.
Speaker C:I like how you got off the rails and just kept going like, no, but then this guy knew this guy, and it turns out his wife worked in the clinic and Amanda's there.
Speaker C:No, but this guy also was there and they caused it's.
Speaker C:I was like, movie never stop.
Speaker C:Movie never stop.
Speaker A:And I heard 10 was good.
Speaker A:Or like, it.
Speaker A:Like, it was kind of a return to form.
Speaker C:I like that.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:I AM John Kramer 10 or 20 years earlier.
Speaker C:You can tell by the hat.
Speaker C:And I mean that genuinely.
Speaker C:Don't put Tobin Bell with a bunch of makeup.
Speaker C:Let the man act.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:We all know what's happening.
Speaker C:It's okay.
Speaker B:Put him in a hat, made him look like Spanky from the Little Rascals.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was, hello, fellow kids energy, and I love it.
Speaker C:Genuinely ridiculous.
Speaker A:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker C:Oh, but there's gotta be, like, I can't imagine those films existing without vibes.
Speaker C:Like, there's just that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's something about it that's particular.
Speaker C:I think it's the complicated, like, attention to the deaths.
Speaker C:I'm not just gonna kill you.
Speaker C:I'm gonna spend A lot of time of on it.
Speaker C:And then Gilliam, the Rube Goldberg of it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:Count of Monte Cristo.
Speaker B:Count of Monte Cristo was.
Speaker B:Rube Goldberg is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's exactly the way to, to sum that up.
Speaker C:Like, nice long term revenge.
Speaker C:Like, I've been married.
Speaker C:I've been soaking in it.
Speaker C:That's what you want.
Speaker C:I've been soaking in it.
Speaker C:I've been thinking, I've been planning.
Speaker C:Let's do it.
Speaker B:I have made sure all of my death traps are properly filigreed.
Speaker C:Like, you think he did, like, test runs.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:There are three different hospitals across London that have no doctors anymore.
Speaker C:It turns out they're all about as dim as these.
Speaker A:We don't know who Volvia is.
Speaker A:Maybe he's got a crash test dummy.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker C:He's just dressed up like her.
Speaker C:I don't want to waste the Volnavy I have, so I'm just gonna run this.
Speaker A:He made those mechanical musicians.
Speaker A:He's probably got mechanical doctors.
Speaker C:You know, that's why he had the layer like that.
Speaker C:He's been through that.
Speaker C:Oh, I like that.
Speaker B:Why did my head immediately go to dinosaurs?
Speaker B:We're gonna need another Timmy anyway.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:This film is so gorgeous.
Speaker C:I keep coming back to that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, there's no reason that this film has to be beautiful.
Speaker C:But the director, Robert Fust, I believe it's pronounced.
Speaker C:He was an art director before.
Speaker C:And that all makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because, like, it didn't have to go as hard as, like, just the shot composition sometimes are really beautiful.
Speaker C:They're gorgeous.
Speaker C:Somebody spent time thinking about it.
Speaker C:You know, even, like, the murder scenes are beautiful.
Speaker C:That frog mask, it's gorgeous.
Speaker C:What a way to go.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:You know, and I just.
Speaker C:Or just the random aesthetics, like Volnavia and Phibes dancing, like in the lair to the music.
Speaker C:Like, that doesn't provide plot, that just provides vibes for fives.
Speaker B:Excellent.
Speaker C:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker C:Celador and chat said 5 vibe.
Speaker C:I've been thinking on it.
Speaker C:I've been marinating on it and I'm like, I'm doing it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He made the Devil's Reign too.
Speaker B:Holy cow.
Speaker C:Oh, that's like a different aesthetic but still visually bizarre.
Speaker C:Oh, that's fascinating.
Speaker C:I, I, I like the goat version in Devil's Reign.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Goats.
Speaker B:Oh, do we lose my.
Speaker B:Okay, he froze for a second.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Devil's Reign's fun.
Speaker B:It's a good movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I was like ERNEST BORKNIGHT Much more 70s, yeah.
Speaker B:BORG9.
Speaker B:Eddie Albert, Keenan Wynn, and Anton Lavey.
Speaker C:Gotta bring some realism.
Speaker C:But no goat BORG9.
Speaker C:Like, listen, I don't want to ruin stuff, but also goat Borg 9.
Speaker A:I see a picture.
Speaker A:I see.
Speaker A:My goodness.
Speaker C:I think that's supposed to be scary.
Speaker C:I can't stop laughing every time I see that.
Speaker C:Because it's still Ernest Borgnine.
Speaker C:Like, you still see him there, but he's a goat.
Speaker C:A devil goat.
Speaker C:A devil.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I see.
Speaker C:I see why they're doing it.
Speaker C:Devil goat.
Speaker C:Devil worshippers.
Speaker C:I just feel like maybe the intended effect did not happen.
Speaker C:At least for me.
Speaker B:It happens sometimes.
Speaker B:It just doesn't complete.
Speaker C:Okay, there's eyes melting out of people's faces in it.
Speaker B:That's a goodie.
Speaker C:Am I remembering this correctly?
Speaker C:This is the eyes melting, or am I just rant.
Speaker C:Am I ranting about God, goat Borg 9?
Speaker C:And you're like, wrong, Phil.
Speaker B:No, no, you're right.
Speaker A:Go there.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I clicked on it.
Speaker B:That's great out.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker B:Let me see if I can find a picture of Go Borg nine to share with anybody watching.
Speaker A:John Travolta's in this.
Speaker A:It's William Shatner.
Speaker C:Yeah, Shatner's in it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I love that.
Speaker C:Oh, look at that.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker C:I mean, it's just.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Fear is not the emotion I feel.
Speaker A:No, it's the robe you lost.
Speaker C:You look confused.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:It's worth checking out.
Speaker B:It's fun.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I like all the.
Speaker C:Like, I love all these connections where you can see stuff.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:I feel like vibes is a.
Speaker C:Either a.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, actually inspiration, or it just.
Speaker C:You can see, like, crumbs from one thing to another.
Speaker C:I love that their ad campaign, it came out, I think, a year after or six months when Love Story came out.
Speaker C:So, you know, Love Story's whole thing was love means never having to say you're sorry.
Speaker C:That was their big tagline.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:The Fives, at least their initial ad campaign and the posters, it's just a picture of, like, Fives in vulnavia, as if they're lovers.
Speaker C:And it says, love means never having to say you're ugly.
Speaker C:Which doesn't even make sense.
Speaker C:But you could tell them going, like, but no, we have to, like, strike while the Love Story iron is hot.
Speaker C:Apparently they changed the ad campaign later because no one knew what this movie was because of that.
Speaker C:And they're like, oh, no, it's a horror film with Vincent Price.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker C:We're sorry.
Speaker C:We're trying to.
Speaker C:We're trying to be clever and we out clevered ourselves.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, it's a fun poster, but it in no way tells you what this movie is.
Speaker C:No, no, that's like a meme.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, pre meme.
Speaker C:Like, look at it.
Speaker C:It's gorgeous.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:But because I know what the movie is, I'm like, this is funny.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I mean, it is a love letter to his wife.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:Like it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, love is at the core of this movie.
Speaker A:But not with Vulnavia.
Speaker C:And yeah, that's strictly professional.
Speaker C:Damn it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:She's a professional.
Speaker C:It's like, listen, I come here and I do my work.
Speaker C:Whether I am a robot or a vengeance goddess or whatever I am, I am a professional, if nothing else.
Speaker C:Now, do you want me to take an ax to this or.
Speaker C:Okay, you got it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:The queen of yes.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:Yeah, Always.
Speaker C:Always.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And what else?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, like this.
Speaker C:And what.
Speaker C:But what if I did this?
Speaker C:Okay, but what I'm thinking is, what if I just find some greyhounds to walk?
Speaker C:I don't know where these dogs came from, but they're necessary for the plot all of a sudden.
Speaker C:Listen, you got.
Speaker C:I'll figure it out.
Speaker C:Don't worry about it, boss.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Find greyhounds.
Speaker C:Fur, but like winter fur.
Speaker C:Not the black fur I was wearing, but more like.
Speaker C:But I was like.
Speaker C:Also bring violin.
Speaker C:Oh, he.
Speaker C:He wants a telescope.
Speaker C:It's got to be brass.
Speaker C:Like, okay, don't worry, I got this.
Speaker C:There's a lot of setup involved.
Speaker C:Asterix, make sure to bring hail machine intervals of plan.
Speaker C:Just loading up the back of that car.
Speaker A:Unsung hero.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Gotta be working 80 hours a week.
Speaker C:But you know what?
Speaker C:You do what you love, you never.
Speaker B:Work a day in your life.
Speaker A:Which is how I feel about Anomaly.
Speaker B:Agreed?
Speaker B:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker B:We have so much fun.
Speaker B:You should come have fun with us too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's November 5th to the 9th at the Little Theater, Rochester, New York.
Speaker B:It's not really wrap up time yet, but it was such a great segue.
Speaker B:I'll throw it in now.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:I guess we can.
Speaker B:We can button it up on the backside of doing that little pluggish thing.
Speaker B:Any other final thoughts about the abominable Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes?
Speaker B:Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes rises rises again.
Speaker B:Is that the sequel?
Speaker C:Yeah, it was a year after they went right into it because it made them money, right?
Speaker A:So they were like, let's cash in on this.
Speaker C:Let's do it.
Speaker C:I mean, it was American international, so they were like, yeah, that's my impersonation.
Speaker B:I have to correct myself.
Speaker B:Sam Arkoff is American International.
Speaker B:I'm very sorry.
Speaker B:It wasn't Corman, it was Arkoff.
Speaker C:You know what, it had a Corman feel, but apparently Vincent Price hated him.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:He hated our com.
Speaker C:He feels, I, I don't know the whole thing, but fascinating.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's a story where they were doing a, a party like, like a, a.
Speaker C:I don't know if it was like a premiere or whatever and they were having, gonna have Price cut the cake and uh, they couldn't, they couldn't find anything to cut it.
Speaker C:And Price goes, well, you could take the knife out of my back and use that.
Speaker C:So this is what he thought.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know the details, but I know the vibe.
Speaker B:Yikes on bikes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He liked these films.
Speaker C:He did not like, apparently working for this, this film studio and particularly that head of studio.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He is a fascinating human being.
Speaker B:I'll just throw this in before we go.
Speaker B: ul low budget movies during a: Speaker B:His ideas for a movie included action, revolution, killing, oratory, fantasy and fornication.
Speaker B:What's that spell?
Speaker B:Arkoff?
Speaker C:Oh my.
Speaker C:Okay, I get it, I get it.
Speaker C:Vincent.
Speaker C:Even if it was just that, I get it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where he's like, ah, this guy runs the studio, but he doesn't know anything about anything.
Speaker A:His employees are what make the magic happen.
Speaker A:That's, that's what I'm understanding.
Speaker C:He's the police and fives.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Buffoon.
Speaker C:That's the word.
Speaker C:Buffoon.
Speaker B:This movie is chock a block with buffoons and it's all the better.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Speaking of buffoons, the anomaly fan.
Speaker C:Oh no.
Speaker C:Right to our faces.
Speaker B:Oh God, there's one in a green sweatshirt talking to you right now.
Speaker B:That was terrible.
Speaker B:It was such an easy.
Speaker A:We are buffoons.
Speaker C:We make mantle of joy, but we are buffoons.
Speaker B:Come watch us make magic.
Speaker B:Much like Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes.
Speaker B:Actually, you know what?
Speaker B:I think there is a straight line between Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes and the magic.
Speaker B:We make it the little theater every year.
Speaker B:It's intricate.
Speaker B:It's put together against all odds.
Speaker C:The death traps.
Speaker B:Not to mention the death traps.
Speaker C:I know it's supposed to be a surprise, but we're so excited every year when a few of them go off.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:And we appreciate people coming back.
Speaker B:Most of them every year.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We are all the Volnavias to the potato.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:Photo shoot.
Speaker A:For her furs.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Plural is hilarious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Come join the fun.
Speaker B:It's November 5th through the 9th this year.
Speaker B:Bring your own death.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Please don't bring your own death trap.
Speaker B:I should say that.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're all good.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We're all set.
Speaker B:Bring yourselves possibly some money but that's all we really need is you.
Speaker B:Not the money kind of the money.
Speaker B:Anyway, have I told I've been talking on on stuff non stop for like five hours today.
Speaker B:So this is where I am at this point.
Speaker B:I'm real punchy so I apologize in advance or actually it's over exactly where.
Speaker C:You need to be for Anomaly.
Speaker C:No worries.
Speaker C:We like them punchy.
Speaker B:I'm punchy.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B:Thanks for joining us for the abominable Dr.
Speaker B:Phibes.
Speaker B:I don't know what the next movie is going to be, but I can guarantee it'll be pretty great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this has been Anomaly.
Speaker B:We've been podcast or not and we will see you next time.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Bye bye.
Speaker A:The following footage.
Speaker C:Vibes the buffoon vibes Buffoon.
